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Ben Meechum Comes Home Again
Wednesday, 17 February 2010 20:17
A few minutes with Oscar nominee Michael O’Keefe
For more than three decades Michael O’Keefe has moved effortlessly from the little screen to the big screen to the boards and ‘round again. His television resume spans M*A*S*H*, Roseanne (as Fred) and a recent recurring role on Brothers and Sisters. His Broadway work includes Side Man (Tony Award winner for best play) and Reckless with Mary Louise Parker. His eclectic list of films include Ironweed, The Pledge (both with Jack Nicholson), George Clooney’s Oscar winning Michael Clayton, and the role of Danny Noonan in a little comedy called Caddyshack.
O’Keefe has a special connection to Beaufort. His 1979 performance as Pat Conroy’s semi-autobiographical Ben Meechum in The Great Santini launched his film career while the movie put Beaufort on Hollywood’s radar. O’Keefe and Santini co-star, Blythe Danner, return to the Lowcountry this month for the fourth annual Beaufort International Film Festival. The interview was conducted via email.
Mark Shaffer: When you think back on The GreatSantini experience, what springs to mind?
Michael O’Keefe: Working with Robert Duvall. His performance in Apocalypse Now was getting a great deal of attention.
M.S. Aside from the actual film making process, what was that time in Beaufort like for you as a young actor and a native New Yorker coming to the Deep South; any culture shock?
M.O. I went to a Lowcountry boil and didn't know you were supposed to peel the shrimp. I ate one whole. There was a soul food place called "Mother's" we went to a fair amount. Other than that I worked most of the time.
M.S. What (if any) sort of direct influence did Pat Conroy have on your portrayal of his alter ego, Ben Meechum?
M.O. I didn't know Pat when we started filming and met him for the first time in Charleston where he took me to meet The Boo at the Citadel. Pat and I came to find out that we had a great deal in common. We were both the oldest of seven kids in an Irish Catholic family with a charismatic, over bearing, and arguably dangerous father.
M.S. This was "the little movie that could," a film that didn't have much of a budget or big box office success and yet you and Duvall were both nominated for Oscars. Was there a sense of catching lightning in a bottle on set or did all of this come as a complete surprise?
M.O. I was twenty-three at the time. At that age I was not exactly humble. It was only years later that the true significance of the film was evident to me.
M.S. You've been back to Beaufort recently, does it still have a special appeal?
M.O. I hadn't been to Beaufort since we made the film in 1978. I was there last year to see it and Pat. He was signing books at Bay Street Trading Company. The town itself seemed unchanged except for the waterfront. There is something magical about the place.
M.S. At some point during BIFF you'll be back in the Santini house, Tidalholm, with - among others - the author of the book and the woman who played your mom – nearly 31 years to the day the film wrapped. What are your thoughts on that?
M.O. I saw the house last year. It remains exactly as it was when we filmed in it. Without Pat Conroy I wouldn't have a film career. Without Blythe Danner I wouldn't have had such a compassionate, gifted colleague with whom to share the film. To be with them both in Tidalholm will be like coming home for the holidays I'm sure.
M.S. And finally, how important is something like the Beaufort Int'l Film Fest to this community and the spirit of independent film?
M.O. I don't think I can comment on BIFF's importance to the community. I can I say I am grateful they asked to me come down and look forward to every minute of it.
Part I: The 4th Annual Beaufort International Film Festival
“You’re so analytical. Sometimes you just have to let art flow over you.” - Nick (William Hurt), The Big Chill, 1983
The headline in Variety should have been something like “Pandora gets Dear John letter from SC.” As organizers began their final preparations for the fourth iteration of the Beaufort International Film Festival (BIFF), the state’s filmmaking community got a very, very early Christmas present. Final box office numbers for the weekend of February 7th revealed a shocker – the show biz equivalent of Bambi vs. Godzilla with the big guy taking a butt kicking. The film adaptation of Nicholas Sparks’ squishy Dear John had knocked off box office behemoth and all time top-grossing film, Avatar. Okay, so with north of two billion dollars in the bank (and counting), James Cameron and the suits at 20th Century Fox probably aren’t crying in their Grey Goose martinis. But it was cause for celebration in the Palmetto State. “Absolutely,” says State Film Commissioner, Jeff Monks. “That was totally filmed in South Carolina. Here’s a story that was written for a coastal North Carolina town that came here because we can do a small, southern coastal city better. But they also needed Africa, Germany and Afghanistan which we could duplicate within a thirty mile radius of Charleston.” This is essentially the same reason that once seemed to attract blockbusters to the Lowcountry like “no-see-ums” to flesh on a summer’s eve. It doesn’t seem so long ago that our cinematic dance card was filled with high profile partners like Die Hard With a Vengeance, The Prince of Tides and Forrest Gump.
The fact remains that in the years since that short, sweet “Golden Age,” Hollywood has paid fewer and fewer visits to the state. The reasons boil down to competition and economics. In our corner of the country North Carolina, Georgia, Florida and Louisiana have all aggressively pursued the film and television industry. All four have major studio facilities. South Carolina has none. Most have a network of offices to help attract and support film and television producers with projects in the chute. North Carolina has six regional film offices. Florida has one in every county. South Carolina has four overworked people under the auspices of the Department of Parks, Recreation and Tourism in Columbia. But most importantly, just about every other state in the union offers the tax incentives filmmakers seek out when considering a location (more on that in the next issue). In 2006 the powers-that-be in Columbia used a legislative loophole to drastically slash incentives . The impact was immediate and predictable. “South Carolina fell off the charts,” says Monks. The success of Dear John and festivals like BIFF could help turn things around.
“I am Santini, the Great Santini. I come from behind the moon, out of the dark, unannounced. Watch out!” - Col. Bull Meechum (Robert Duvall), The Great Santini, 1979
Like Robert Duvall’s incendiary Bull Meechum, the film adaptation of Pat Conroy’s breakthrough novel took critics and Hollywood by surprise. Set in Beaufort and shot in Beaufort, the film garnered Oscar nominations for both Duvall and Michael O’Keefe (see the accompanying interview) and quite literally put the town on Hollywood’s map. It’s said that one of writer/director Lawrence Kasdan’s main reasons for shooting The Big Chill in Beaufort was the opportunity to do it the same house as Santini, Tidalholm. He thought the house had great “bones.” Watching the film un-spool in a Columbia theater back in 1983, I thought the same thing. The house is as much a character as any member of that remarkable ensemble cast, as iconic a piece of Lowcountry film history as the line “Stupid is as stupid does.”
“People still want to know where The Big Chill house is, where The Great Santini was filmed,” says Ron Tucker, Executive Director of the Beaufort International Film Festival. But he adds, the problem with most of Beaufort’s rich film history is just that: it’s history. Santini’s more than three decades down the line. The Big Chill is pushing thirty. The Prince of Tides is nearly old enough to vote. Even Forrest Gump – hands down the biggest thing ever to happen to movie making in South Carolina (and Beaufort in particular) celebrates his sweet sixteen this year, so to speak.
Remembering the past while focusing on the future will be a constant theme as Beaufort approaches it’s tricentennial next January. Working to re-establish and refine the town’s cinematic identity is part of what Tucker hopes the film festival will help engender. “That’s the reason we didn’t change it to the Lowcountry Film Festival,” he explains. “Charleston has theirs, so does Savannah. We want to establish our brand: Beaufort.”
“It was summer, it was Beaufort, South Carolina and it was all the shrimp you could eat.” - Tom Hanks on shooting Forrest Gump in Beaufort
The fourth BIFF also marks a departure for the event. For the first time the film festival stands alone, independent and unaffiliated with any other occasion or activity. The fledgling Beaufort Film Society (also Tucker’s brainchild) takes the helm. “BFS is going great,” he says. “I think we can be near one hundred and fifty members by the festival. It’s been a great plus as we've gone forward with planning. And the membership dues have helped tremendously in defraying the costs of the festival.” Local innkeepers have been supportive, as well, providing rooms for the twenty-odd filmmakers traveling to the Lowcounty from all over the U.S. and farther-flung corners of the earth.
Producer John Schwab will fly in from London for his second consecutive BIFF (see the accompanying interview), this time as a finalist in the feature category with The Hide. A veteran of the festival circuit, he sees great potential in an intimate less corporate-dominated affair like BIFF. “Whether it’s Cannes, Sundance or Beaufort each festival has something to offer to the films that have been submitted,” he says. “Every festival entry generates that much more press and exposure. The films take on a life of their own, which has been our experience with The Hide. Of course, winning an award here and there doesn't hurt things.”
If a special award were to be handed out “for greatest distance traveled to attend,” Scott Worth’s a mortal lock this year. “From the Blue Mountains of New South Wales to Beaufort the travel time is 63 hours round trip,” he emails. His short documentary, Tira Bakal (or Striking Metal) is also a lock to scare up some controversy. The self-funded film tracks a Filipino family as they continue a decades-old tradition of re-enacting the final trials of Christ with gruesome authenticity. The 25-minute film isn’t for everybody and that’s precisely why he’s crossing the planet to bring it to BIFF. “I travel to different festivals that accept Tira Bakal because they’re looking beyond critical confounds and taking a chance with the audience,” he says. “So I'm spending the money to travel to Beaufort because the festival society has given the audience and the film this value. Also this is a perfect opportunity to visit the South. I'm looking forward to it.”
Apparently a lot of people were looking forward to it. The final tally on this year’s entries broke two hundred, a festival record. Twenty-two countries are represented across the six categories: Feature, Short, Documentary, Animation, Screenplay and Student. There’s also a distinct Lowcountry presence, as well. Beaufort resident and author, Teresa Bruce’s original script Mask of the Innocent is a finalist in the Screenplay competition. And the Student category was inundated with, well, scads of entries from the Savannah College of Art and Design.
There will be some celebrity presence (it’s a film festival, there’s a law) and at least one won’t have much farther to travel than Fripp Island. Pat Conroy will receive the festival’s highest honor, The Jean Ribaut Award “in acknowledgment of his outstanding and inspiring original material for film.” He’ll be handed the Ribaut by his friend, Blythe Danner who has portrayed two Conroy women on film, Sally Wingo in The Prince of Tides and Lillian Meechum in The Great Santini. Her Oscar nominated, on-screen son in Santini, Michael O’Keefe, will present Gwyneth’s mom with the festival’s Excellence in Acting Award.
As for the future, Ron Tucker’s goal is to keep the experience intimate, accessible, less corporate and light on celebrity. Don’t expect to see Brad and Angie or the cast of the Twilight saga slinking about amid a pack of snapping paparazzi. This event will always focus on the filmmakers. “They’re the stars,” he says. “This is their time to shine.”
To Be Continued…
Coming in the March 3rd issue:
The wrap on BIFF and putting Beaufort back on Hollywood’s A-list
The deeper meaning of Army Wives
And a candid conversation with oft-filmed author and Beaufort resident, Pat Conroy
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Mayor Billy Looks Ahead
Wednesday, 03 February 2010 09:59
A Conversation With The Mayor of Beaufort
Next January Beaufort joins an elite group of American cities and towns in the Three-Century Club. Mayor Billy Keyserling will enjoy the rare privilege of presiding over his hometown’s landmark birthday, the latest chapter of a family history rich in public service to the Lowcountry and beyond. Shortly after the city officially began its 299th year, Lowcountry Weekly Publisher Jeff Evans and I had the opportunity for a candid conversation with Mayor Billy over coffee on the waterfront.
As we prepared to sit down with Hizzoner to talk about things like how the city’s past impacts its future, word was just beginning to spread that what many consider a key cultural element had literally become history. Beaufort Performing Arts (BPA), thought to be on the rebound after a series of fiscal issues (including two separate embezzlement scandals) was apparently finished, another alleged victim of the recession. While efforts to revive BPA are underway at this writing, the full story remains unfinished as we go to press.
Mark Shaffer: We’re known nationally as an art town and yet most thriving art towns have a strong performing arts scene. How important is something like BPA to Beaufort’s future?
Billy Keyserling: Very important. But Beaufort is a small town. We call ourselves a city but we’re 13,000 people, moderate to low income. Yet we serve as home to about another 60,000. The historic district and downtown drives the surrounding area in terms of real estate, culture and identity, but it doesn’t pay for itself. The challenge is to reach out to that bigger [outlying] community and ask, “how do we engage them?”
MS: These are the economics of an historic resort and retirement community.
BK: Beaufort County has the 5th highest concentration of millionaires per capita in the country and we have one of the best-educated populations in the state. And so the question remains how do you engage this bigger group of people? It’s one of the reasons I raised concerns about BPA when it began. It started with a [substantial] chunk of money from the city. The question was could it sustain itself? [These days] dollars are slimmer and competition is stiffer. That is the struggle. As mayor of the town I can only go to the well so many times. There are so many organizations. It’s hard to provide these bigger, broader community things.
Jeff Evans: But there are ways to appeal to those outer areas, like the Fripps and the Dataws.
BK: One [possible] answer may be to do what I am doing, which is going to those places like Dataw and Spring Island and saying “you’re part of my city. At least become a member of Main Street [Beaufort] for thirty-five bucks. You want things in the park? Help us pay for things in the park.” And that would be part of my [approach to BPA]: it’s going to take more than just the city. It’s going to take the bigger community, and it’s going to take private funding and private funding is hard to come by for everything at the moment.
In modern history Beaufort has always been a center for the arts, but that was because half a dozen people drove it. As those people leave there have to be new [leaders]. At one point it was mostly benefactors, now it’s mostly artists. We forget how little Beaufort is.
MS: Through the B3C lectures, presentations and projects we’ve heard a lot of memories about how things have changed, particularly over the last four decades. All of this will be part of a vast public archive. How do you envision its impact?
BK: I recently spoke to several classes in a joint meeting at Battery Creek High School and I looked into the audience and I saw black kids and white kids sitting together. That wasn’t the way it was when I was a kid. For them to understand where they are and where they can go, it would be good for them to understand just how much change there’s been. There was a point when we couldn’t go to the movies together, couldn’t go to school together, couldn’t walk down the street together. Yet, we might go to our back yards and play together. This is a huge change in a relatively small time.
I think about the time I spent with my father, a country doctor, making calls with him and seeing houses with no running water. People live much better. The 1960’s were important here. We had the Hunger Tour here and [Fritz] Hollings was inspired by what he saw to create the WIC program with Hubert Humphrey. In fact, if you were to look at the whole history of rural health, you can look at how far we’ve come and how we’ve led.
MS: That’s some of the bittersweet effect of the B3C project: seeing how far we come, but also being reminded of what’s been lost, as well.
BK: Probably my biggest fight on City Council may eventually be getting back to the issue of a day dock. If you look at the history of where we are today (Waterfront Park), this was a dock. When I was a kid I’d get in my little fourteen-foot bateaux, built by a patient of my father’s, and come over here and tie up at the docks. It was a big thing on Saturdays. [The Park] is one of the few places in Beaufort where there’s a hard edge between the water and the land. I don’t like that. It ought to be much more user friendly because boating is such a part of the culture here.
JE: All of this [waterfront park] was a working waterfront. The river was right there. At one time most of these buildings were built out over the water.
MS: Since we’ve veered off on this subject, it isn’t particularly user friendly for that busy boat culture moving up and down the Intracoastal either – not in the same way as, say, Georgetown, which also has a vibrant, real, working historic downtown. What do we need in this downtown to get that sort of thing going?
BK: We need people living here. I just did a rendering of the [Charles Street] post office block to see what would fit. You could put twenty one units there: nine single family homes, take the post office out, put a retail post office with retail space next to it and two floors of condos. There were nine houses there at one time. So, we’ve lost a great deal. Forty percent of the Northwest Quadrant is vacant. We’ve got to get higher levels of [population] density for downtown to be real. The tourism is fine, it’s a piece of what we are, but we’ve got to be more than that. We’re artificially full downtown with the hobby stores and the galleries – there’s nothing wrong with them, they’re great. But they don’t service the broader segment of the people as opposed to stores that deal in goods and services.
When I was a child we had two “five and dimes” on Bay Street, a car dealership, a used car lot, barbershop, two pharmacies and another on Carteret. We had three supermarkets downtown.
MS: All now pushed out into the urban sprawl.
BK: And yet, we have Habersham – a model [community] and successful. We have Newpoint – a model and successful. Beaufort – from the river to Ribaut Road and from Pigeon Point to the waterfront park – is more spectacular than anything you can build from scratch. It’s got a sense of place, historic buildings, a sense of mass and scale, streets that open up to the water, the churches. It’s exactly what these guys would like to build out in the middle of nowhere. We’ve just got to figure out a way to make it more attractive.
JE: Having not grown up here, one of the things that makes it so attractive to me is that this has all occurred organically. [Years ago] when I lived on Hilton Head I can recall at least two separate occasions when the city fathers felt the need to try and create some sort of downtown. And no one gave a damn. I always thought that you can’t really impose it on a place after the fact.
BK: It’s hard to do.
JE: It always ends up being this Disney-esque sort of fake thing. What we have in downtown Beaufort grew over the centuries through the natural course of events.
BK: But it’s also gone backwards in the sense that we lost the retail opportunities, we lost this part of the city as the center of commerce. We have to build that back. The good news is that the form and the structure are still here.
MS: That’s the good news. The bad news is that we have all of this sprawl and outgrowth. Once it gets started it just seems to steamroll everything in its path without any real plan or concern. For instance, we’re looking at another fight over a possible Walmart on Lady’s Island.
BK: You’re right. That just makes it a bigger challenge for us. But it’s one worth fighting for. That’s the reason I support the Boundary Street [Redevelopment] Plan. One mile of redevelopment can double our population in an urban setting. And there’s a direct relationship between “walk-ability” and home values. The closer you are to where you want to be, the higher the prices. We also have to deal with our [real estate] prices, which are universally over-priced everywhere. But the walk-ability is key. I think [given the chance] most people would walk three blocks to the supermarket because they’re walking the equivalent and more when they go to Walmart. And they’ll pay a premium – a reasonable premium – to have that convenience.
JE: Living in Pigeon Point, I really value the ability to get on my bike and ride to work downtown on a nice day. How many people in the country can say that? Not that I do it all that often, but I value it enormously.
MS: Tell us a bit about the nuts and bolts of the project.
BK: Well, the city can do the horizontal, meaning the streets and the sidewalks and the utilities. But the biggest part is approaching landowners and [asking them] “how can we help you improve your property to fit a need in the marketplace?” For example, there’s a tremendous need right now for a continuous care facility. So why not put it downtown?
I took a guy who’s an entrepreneur and showed him a piece of property – a block and a half on Bladen Street. It’s in the Historic District. There will be challenges, but that could mean forty or sixty couples just like that. If the market recovers, in the next couple of years I can see four to six hundred new housing units within walking distance [to the waterfront].
In one mile the Boundary Street Plan has five thousand residential units, four hundred thousand square feet of commercial. If we can [maintain this] then we’ve got an old town and a new town.
MS: The challenge is making and keeping [the housing] affordable.
BK: Particularly where you have indigenous families who are part of the culture of Beaufort who you don’t want to displace.
MS: Documenting our culture has been a big part of the Beaufort Three Century project. What was the impetus to put something like this together?
BK: [Over the years] I just started hearing too many people talk about the future of Beaufort like it was another place. We’ve been open to so many people coming here, and the people who come here tend to be joiners and participators, but a lot of those people really didn’t have a sense of Beaufort’s history. So, what better time than the tricentennial to look back and go forward, to help people have an understanding of how we became what we are as we make plans for where we want to go. I was overwhelmed by it, so I went to [B3C Project Coordinator] Deborah Johnson [and others] and they said “yes” and we sort of went from there. The disappointment is that we haven’t been able to raise the money to do as much as we’d like to do. With the exception of the pittance Deborah gets, it is totally volunteer.
MS: And she’s done a tremendous job marshalling all of this.
BK: She’s done an absolutely incredible job with so little. And they’ve done a great deal when you think about it. I hope all of this has positioned us to take advantage of this year, which is more about the visioning. The city has a [comprehensive] plan, but that’s not what we’re talking about. We’re talking about how [people envision] Beaufort in a hundred years. If [the people of Beaufort] have a quadracentennial, what are they going to look back at and what will have been the impact of this next generation?
MS: Which brings us to the recently announced Beaufort Fourth Century Project.
BK: A new separate organization that will take what was learned through the B3C process and the vision that I hope will be crafted, and put in the hands of every politician, religious and civic leader in Beaufort. It’s more than government. It’s about the whole community.
MS: What would you like to see done with all of this information that’s been collected, this digital archive that will the B3C legacy?
BK: I would think the recipient should probably be the library. But I hope there would be a way to sustain it so that it could continue to grow. The [Beaufort] Gazette by virtue of agreement will have some ownership, too. But I think that it ought to go to some public entity with the hope of taking Beaufort forward.
MS: Ideally, down the road, would you like to see that entity as a viable world-class museum?
BK: Yeah, ideally. But the practicality of funding it is going to require a lot more focus. Every piece of the Civil War played itself out in Beaufort. You can stand on that bluff and look down the street to where they signed the Articles of Secession, and you can look over toward the Port Royal Naval Hospital where they read the Emancipation Proclamation. You can look over to the tip of Saint Helena where the first school for freed slaves was built. There’s no place that embodies it more, but where do I get ten million dollars to endow [a museum]? I’ve asked [the B3C] historians for a [prospectus]. I’m going to find somebody with some money who wants a legacy opportunity – I don’t see it as grassroots. But there’s no point in even talking about it until I see an endowment because the city can’t do it, the county can’t do it, the university can’t do it.
In my mind I have [a location] in sight. I’m confident that somehow we’ll [eventually] get it, but I don’t talk about it because [it’s pointless] without the money. Even Henry Chambers rolled his eyes when I told him. And I said, “Henry, when you talked about this park what did everybody do? They rolled their eyes.”
MS: We’re not rolling ours. Good luck with that. But it’s still just another piece in the bigger puzzle.
BK: I also believe we should have a world-class art gallery that [would feature] traveling shows that would draw people from around the region – serve as kind of a cultural platform.
MS: So what’s actually going to happen next January, what can we expect for a three hundredth birthday for Beaufort?
BK: I don’t know. [Beaufort City Councilman] Mike McFee has agreed to take the lead from a city council point of view.
MS: He’s acting as liaison with the city?
BK: Right. He’s assembled a group of people. We’ve had two meetings and I think within the next month or so we’ll see a [tricentennial celebration] commission formed.
They’re looking at having a juried show to come up with a logo that the city will own and license, so there will be one logo and uniformity – not a lot of trash. And you’ll pay to use it. If you’re printing T-shirts, like the Water Festival or the Gullah festival, you’ll pay to use it. A lot of this depends on harnessing existing events and have them focus on this rather than trying to create a whole new series of events. Although, I do see a big public event on that date or the weekend of that date where Beaufort Three Century would hand over their vision.
JE: Sort of passing on the key to the next century.
MS: And Deborah can finally go on vacation.
BK: She deserves it. She won’t go, but she deserves it.
*As we go to deadline, the Mayor and others were involved in behind the scenes efforts to restructure and revive BPA. Be sure to check out the Mayor’s website, www.mayorbilly.com. Mark Shaffer can be reached by email at
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Beaufort as Epicenter of American History. Seriously.
Story and Photos by Mark Shaffer
Note: The Beaufort Three Century Project (B3C) begins its final act as we count down to the Tricentennial Celebration on January 17, 2011. Lowcountry Weekly will continue to spotlight the unique history, people, places and events woven into the fabric of this landmark celebration.
The Historians
About this time last year the initial presentation of the Tricentennial Lecture Series generated the small town equivalent of a smash Broadway show. Hundreds of people were turned away for the first event and the rest of the series was an immediate sell-out. Even people who knew people couldn’t get a seat. In fact, some of the people one would need to know to get a seat couldn’t get a seat. An encore presentation wasn’t simply necessary, it was practically mandated. B3C and USCB, co-sponsors of the series, have made it so. The trio of scholars has agreed to take the stage once again in what can only be described in certain circles as “Beatles-esque.”
I recently joined B3C Project Coordinator, Deborah Johnson for a lively lunchtime conversation with two of the three principles involved. Dr. Lawrence Rowland is the Distinguished Professor Emeritus in History at USCB and author of The History of Beaufort County, Vol. I. His longtime partner in the series, Dr. Stephen Wise, applies his expertise on the Civil War in the upcoming second volume as co-author. Wise is also director of the USMC’s Parris Island Museum. The third member of this supergroup of historians is absent. The distinguished former President of Middlebury College, Dr. John McCardell, was recently named Vice Chancellor of the University of the South, better known as Sewanee. This seemed an acceptable excuse and rather a stretch just to avoid lunch with a journalist, although he did miss some pretty good chili…
Mark Shaffer: You’ve actually been doing these lectures for quite a while.
Lawrence Rowland: “We put this series together years ago and have been doing it ever since. We have never had the kind of success we had with B3C last year. All of a sudden it was a hit, perfectly timed, perfectly spaced. So we’re doing it again, doing what we’ve done periodically for fifteen years or so.
MS: So the packed houses, the standing-room-only crowds really took you by surprise.
LR: Oh, yeah. It took everyone by surprise.
MS: Deborah’s mentioned that the three of you sort of got the rock star treatment.
LR: In as much as we’ve been doing it for fifteen years, (laughing) where were they for all those years? Not that we’ve had bad attendance – we’ve always had good attendance (at least on this side of the river).
MS: Stephen, why do you think it was such a sudden smash?
Stephen Wise: Advertising. Deborah got the word out to all the different areas and that’s what did it.
MS: There was a real buzz around town during these events.
LR: It was different.
MS: People also have to be interested in the subject matter, though, to pack the house like they did.
SW: Deborah was able to hit the markets right. [In previous years] a press release would be sent out and the newspapers might or might not print it. This was definitely more organized.
Deborah Johnson: I think there were also a couple of other things that helped. We lowered the price of admission because a part of B3C’s mission is to make it accessible to everyone. So [the lecture series] was as inexpensive as we could possibly run it so that anybody could attend. And secondly – and partly because it was tied to B3C – people really want more in-depth history. They want to understand the deeper levels of our history.
LR: I have a theory on that. Steve has probably found this as well, but over the course of my career I’ve found that when people get to be about fifty years old, they become interested in history – their own family history, community history, and a lot become interested in specific periods like The Civil War. There’s a huge interest around here in The Civil War. [The study of] history is an enterprise that older people tend to gravitate to. So as more and more retired people move here and the demographics change, our audience gets bigger and bigger. Which is not to discourage “youngsters” from attending.
MS: Do you find that a lot of people who move here from somewhere else do so specifically for the history – specifically, because of an interest in, say, The Civil War?
LR: Oh yes. When Charles Fraser developed Hilton Head Island (which was the beginning of this whole real estate boom), one of the things he sold was history. He was a great history buff and collector. He was a great friend of mine. He didn’t always want to talk about business, but he always wanted to talk about history.
So he started selling the history of Hilton Head and the history of Beaufort County before I got here years ago. He understood its appeal. So I think history is more of a valuable commercial product than most people realize. Ask Steve about his museum.
MS: I’m embarrassed to say I’ve not been – yet.
SW: Well, we get over a hundred thousand people a year. We’re the only museum in the area that covers any of the history.
LR: It’s the best museum in the Lowcountry, by far. And they have archeological sites, too.
MS: What are some of the current highlights?
SW: We’re working on our local military history area. That should be finished in the next couple of months. It’s open now, but it’s not finished. And we do all the history of the Marine Corps from 1900 on, most of the history of Parris Island, which includes the French and the Spanish. We have the old village sites out on the island with walking trails, and we do a bike tour twice a year of all the historic sites.
A brief discussion follows on the current lack of a viable municipal/county museum in historic Beaufort – a subject we’ll address as this tricentennial series progresses. Beyond certain political issues, money seems to be at the core of the matter along with a few other obstacles.
MS: What are the major challenges involved in putting something like this together.
SW: A proper facility – one that will protect the collection – a proper staff, the exhibits themselves. Exhibitry’s come down a great deal in cost but, you’re competing with Disney World. A lot of museums are going to non-artifact exhibits, what’s called “emersion history.” It’s like walking through a scene but everything in the scene is fake – a reproduction – you’re not actually seeing the artifacts themselves. You may be walking through a scene from the Korean War but are you really learning that much about it? It’s hard to say. Where does the entertainment begin and the education component end?
MS: In this day and age does history have to be presented as entertainment?
LR: It’s an interesting question. I think that the audience we appeal too, that Deborah found for us, would be just as happy to sit down with a good book. As she indicated earlier, they really are interested in the substance. Different generations, different audiences. My suspicion is that people who are now twenty or thirty will be happy to sit down with a good book when they’re fifty.
MS: Back to the lectures. What sort of feedback are you getting? Are people amazed at what they’re learning?
LR: They’ll say to me “Gosh, I never realized how much [local] history there was.” For years my schtick throughout these lectures has been to prove that all of American history actually began in Beaufort, South Carolina. And when people walk away they say, “you know, that’s not a joke” particularly after they see all the “firsts” we have.
MS: Convince me.
LR: Well, Steve is the custodian of the first protestant colony in the New World. Before Plymouth Rock, before Virginia, [French Huguenots] were on Parris Island building a Presbyterian church.
SW: Before St. Augustine.
LR: The city of Santa Helena – the Spanish city that Stephen’s also custodian for – was the first official capital of Florida. People don’t know that. It’s a technicality but it’s true. And then you have a series of “firsts” after that – a lot of them around the Civil War and Reconstruction. Beaufort County was the site of the first commercial cotton crop – which I go into at length in this lecture. People don’t understand what a profound economic revolution cotton was to the history of the United States. It was colossal. We have never had an agricultural product in the history of America that was worth what cotton was worth, to this day. It transformed the American South, it transformed politics, it transformed slavery and it transformed Beaufort County. And it began on Hilton Head. I mean that’s pretty interesting.
MS: What are some of the Civil War “firsts.”
SW: The first black regiment was raised with slaves from here. This is the first Deep South city seized by the North, and the prototype for reconstruction after the war.
MS: The first rumblings of secession?
LR: It was the seed bed of secession, no doubt. This was the home of Robert Barnwell Rhett who was the father of secession in the South and that’s a story that John [McCardell] will tell. He’s an expert on Southern Nationalism.
DJ: Last year was the first time you’d done the lecture series together, right?
LR: He’s an expert on the subject and a loyal Beaufortonian so we figured why not give him that lecture. He can do it better than I can. John’s book, The Idea of a Southern Nation, is an intellectual history of Southern Nationalism. When this dissertation was published at Harvard, it was selected as the best dissertation in the United States. So we figured as long as we’ve got him around we’ll sign him up.
MS: We’ve talked a lot lately about how certain factions of the community seem to be taking a rather casual approach to the tricentennial. Why is that?
LR: Daily life doesn’t change and on January 11th, 2011 nothing’s going to change.
MS: So, it’s just a date to a lot of people. But to historians like yourselves this is quite benchmark.
LR: Historians tend to think that all significant anniversaries should be celebrated. What was the Macaulay quote? Lord Thomas Babington Macaulay, the great 19th Century British historian, said in his introduction to his great The History of England from the Accession of James the Second, “Any people who are ignorant of the noble achievements of their remote ancestors are unlikely to achieve anything worth being remembered by their descendents.” There’s the justification in celebrating all these anniversaries. The university is celebrating its fiftieth anniversary, the Presbyterian Church is having its centennial next year, the city’s having its tricentennial next year, St. Helena’s Church is celebrating its tricentennial the following year and [Stephen and I] are about to go to a meeting on the sesquicentennial of The Civil War, which is going to be bigger than all of the others combined – and it should be. This was a colossal event. It’s got to be the most important thing that ever happened in American History.
SW: The defining moment.
LR: So, yeah, anniversaries are good for history.
MS: So by shining a light on the past are we able to shed some light on the future?
LR: People will often say that the past predicts the future. That’s rarely the case, but it does have lessons. I don’t thing there’s any predictive value in history. Do you?
SW: No – at least no directly predictive value.
MS: So the series is back by popular demand, so to speak. Will there be any changes?
SW: I’m changing a few things. There will be a few variations in my part, and I might add a bit because I ended twenty minutes early last time. Of course, everybody liked me ending twenty minutes early since Larry always goes twenty minutes over.
MS: Well then, it all balances out.
LR: You see, I have far more material than I can deliver and I never know which part I’m going to deliver. I have an outline and kind of glance down at it once in a while whereas Stephen is much more organized. Meanwhile, there’s this big hook behind the stage.
(Laughter)
SW: Larry doesn’t let people go to the bathroom.
LR: They can get up and go, I’m not going to stop. I’ll be here when they get back.
(More laughs)
DJ: One of the most common comments we got last year was how well the three different styles worked together – three different styles of telling the history, all wonderful and engaging and easily understandable for the non-scholar. All three are very different but amazingly effective.
LR: What I do is tell a series of stories and relate the history through them. Stephen’s got a very different style.
MS: Larry, you’re boiling down about four hundred years but you mentioned that you found that easier than dealing with The Civil War?
LR: Oh, yeah. It’s immensely complicated.
MS: So it’s up to Stephen to distill that essence. How do you manage that?
SW: I know it so well that it’s not that complicated [for me]. I lead people through certain topics so that they can better understand them. One thing that we did get some feed back on from last time was how the Emancipation Proclamation did or did not free slaves, why it was done and how it was done. Too often that story is not properly told. It’s very important because of its impact here.
People also don’t realize what the name of the war actually is. It’s not the Civil War, it’s the War of the Rebellion, and it’s called that because the South is outside the Constitution rebelling against the United States. That allows the federal government to do certain things they couldn’t do had the South stayed in the Union. One of those things is the Emancipation Proclamation. So it can get complicated. People like knowing the background and the details. I don’t want to [disparage] any carriage drivers, but they don’t want the carriage driver version of the story, they want to know how and why these things occurred. And then there are so many fascinating characters from this area.
LR: Tell Mark about some of the characters. I’m learning by the stuff that [Stephen’s] writing about people who were here that I didn’t know about.
MS: Which is sort of incredible. I had never heard of Robert Smalls until I landed in Beaufort. What a phenomenal story.
LR: A fabulous American story. Absolutely.
SW: Working here in Beaufort we had people like Frances Gage, a very well known abolitionist, feminist, universalist, anti-drink individual.
LR: Aunt Fanny Gage – a very famous author of the era.
SW: Clara Barton [founder of the American Red Cross] was here. Jean Davenport Lander was in charge of the nurses in Beaufort. She was a renowned Shakespearean actress. Thomas Wentworth Higginson, leading Unitarian and intellectual and the guy who [kind of] discovered Emily Dickenson. Well, he didn’t really “discover” her. He actually thought she was a little lame but told her to keep trying. So she did.
(Laughter)
And John has a whole cast of characters as well.
LR: You really have to be a specialist in the Civil War. You have to spend your whole career studying nothing but the Civil War in order to get it right.
When I wrote [The History of Beaufort County, South Carolina, Vol. I, 1514-1861] there was very little local record – almost none. The local records that existed from 1789 on had all been burned in the Civil War. So I had to immerse myself in the state record, glean the history of Beaufort County largely from the state records of the colonial period. And fortunately in the antebellum period there’s a fair amount of secondary literature that I can rely on. But during the Civil War it’s all federal records, the whole thing is this mass of federal government stuff. I didn’t know anything about that. So that’s when I grabbed Steve. He’s memorized the federal record: twenty-two volumes of The Records of the War of the Rebellion. After the war there are a lot of records to be found and that’s a delight – lots of detail. There’s a very large colonial record in South Carolina. The South Carolina State Archives still has the largest collection of unpublished colonial records in the Untied States.
MS: Wow. I think from my own experience as a South Carolinian that the Colonial Period tends to suffer from the shadow of the Civil War. I don’t recall spending too much time on it in school. And this state is just lousy with important colonial history.
LR: Turning points in history occurred here. The one I like to focus on down here is the Yemassee War, the most dangerous Indian war in colonial American history – the most casualties, the largest number of combatants [on the Yemassee side], and the greatest effect. The direct effect of that war was that the Spanish and French, who had dominated the American southeast at that time, were basically swept aside and the southeast was thereafter dominated by the English from South Carolina. That changed the course of the North American continent and changed the geo-politics of the United States.
MS: You have now convinced me that all American history springs from Beaufort County.
(Laughter)
LR: An awful lot of history was bubbling up from this little corner of South Carolina.
MS: So why Beaufort? Why such a saturation of such important stuff?
LR: You’ll just have to come to the lectures.
(Laughter)
LR: A lot of it’s geography and a lot of it is chance.
SW: Geography influenced everything. It attracted the people and then once they’re here you’ve got the personalities –
LR: The politics and economics–
SW: And the cotton.
MS: It all begins to domino.
LR: Port Royal Sound is the key. It’s the deepest natural harbor south of New York Harbor. And that’s the dominant piece of salient geography in this part of the state. That’s what influenced the Yankee invasion – excuse me – the Federal invasion.
(Laughs)
SW: You know, a lot of South Carolinians were in command of ships that attacked here.
MS: That’s not well known.
LR: Beaufortonians were not just on one side.
SW: This city completely changes during the Civil War.
LR: It became a Yankee colony.
SW: These [historic] homes were totally rebuilt after the war into what you see today. Most of them didn’t look like [they do now].
MS: That’s a grand misconception that this is what Beaufort looked like during the Civil War.
SW: That’s phosphate and railroad money that came in after the war.
LR: Reconstruction money. We had a very large and prosperous business in the phosphate mining industry here that provided good paying jobs for thousands of people. It generated a lot of money for the merchants. It brought in the maritime industry, brought in the railroad industry. It was very important for thirty years because it brought prosperity.
But most of these homes were very plain. Even [the very rich] plantation houses tended to be very plain and casual. And these [wealthy northerners] came down, used to urban mansions, and made [the houses] all Victorian. The Anchorage is the most famous example of that. It didn’t look like that until Admiral Beardsley took it on and he made it look like a wedding cake. It was a plain federal style house the southerners built. Before the war they were all very plain – big houses, but not lusciously appointed in many cases. But I did discover that before the war the Beaufort district ordered more grand pianos than any district in South Carolina. So houses that might not have any shutters or even any windows had these very expensive accoutrements. So that’s interesting.
MS: Everyone has priorities.
The Tricentennial Lecture Series continues January 22nd and 29th and concludes February 5th. Tickets are $10 per lecture while they last and are available through the Beaufort Perform Arts Box Office at 843-521-4145.
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Forward Into The Past
Wednesday, 06 January 2010 07:24
The Beaufort Three Century Project begins its third act as we count down to the 2011 Tricentennial Celebration.Interview and Photos by Mark Shaffer